AMD - The (Evolving) Master Plan


James Pieters
James Pieters

Hey Jim, I've watched this 6 or 7 times now but the 1 thing that's bugging me is how much GPU power does a PS5 actually require to be a 4k 60fps stable kind of monster? I mean you said it yourself in this video the PlayStation is a closed system and without really looking into it I thought the current consoles did 4k by rendering 1440p then upscaling it and ending up around the 30fps mark. As you know there's a big difference between an "upscaled 4k 60fps monster" and a "4k native resolution 60fps monster" Anyway keep up the great work mate. Catch ya later!

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Matthew Sharp
Matthew Sharp

Love your videos

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Misha Engel
Misha Engel

TSMC 16/12 to 10nm 10% clock improvment with same power. TSMC 10 to 7 nm 20% clock improvment with same power. Me Glofo 12 ~ 12 nm TSMC AMD 2x performance at same power. Tomshardware 2700x http://img.purch.com/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-ryzen-5-2600x-review/o/aHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmJlc3RvZm1pY3JvLmNvbS82L0YvNzYzNTc1L29yaWdpbmFsLzAyLVJ5emVuLTctMjcwMFgtUGVyZm9ybWFuY2UtdnMtUG93ZXItQ29uc3VtcHRpb24ucG5n 2700x at 95 Watt ~ 3.9 GHz (8c/16t)all-core 3600x at 95 Watt ~ 3.9 x 1.1 x 1.2 ~ 5.15 GHz (8c/16t)all-core These values make kind of sence to me.

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Edwin Custo
Edwin Custo

Now my question is can you convert a PS5 into a PC slash Gaming PC?, ok google time :D

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Rosen Fotenliev
Rosen Fotenliev

dude, you should really work on that accent, like get some classes and shit

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

When was the last time you were told this? http://i.imgur.com/8Tqn9pb.png Never, I'd guess. I'll keep my accent thanks. ;)

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thenic123
thenic123

AMD has to come to the party! Intel and Nvidia are running amuck with their ridiculously overpriced monopoly of the CPU and GPU market. AMD need to setup. Samsung vs Apple v2 needs to start NOW!

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X-perto
X-perto

Big if true

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fintux
fintux

29:50 Finland is/was an emerging market for AMD??

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Lucifer Deathdig
Lucifer Deathdig

Your Accent sucks!!

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

No you suck - http://i.imgur.com/8Tqn9pb.png

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tomo123
tomo123

holy shit Im already wet just thinking about a ryzen 3 3000 6c/12th and navi gpus

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K-lum Schmit
K-lum Schmit

Haven't watched many tech videos in the passed few months but I feel like an hour long video definitely counts as a relapse.

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Francisco Peralta
Francisco Peralta

56:22 minutes of hope. Like and sub

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Tucker Higgins
Tucker Higgins

Dr. Lisa Su - The Genius

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Dark Phoenix
Dark Phoenix

congrats on your previous vid on the AMD Ryzen 2 leaks, it basically went viral and other tech channels started spreading your message.

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LordEC911
LordEC911

Did you take into account that all the controllers and interfaces on the I/O chip all need to be on the perimeter? A 150mm2 I/O die is going to be pad limited with a 256bit GDDR5/6 bus, let alone a 384bit bus, 2048bit HBM2/3 interface, DDR4, and IF. IMO- I don't see them putting the GPU I/O on the I/O chip, it seems to add way too much complexity for no gain/advantage. I mean, maybe I could see a 128bit GDDR6 bus or a 1024bit HBM2/3 (aka ~250GB/s bandwidth) interface on their "consumer" I/O chip for use with their APUs/SemiCustom SOCs or maybe they move the consumer I/O chip to 28nm which means larger die size (i.e. more pad space) at a cheaper price? If your crazy I/O die is true, where does that leave Navi 10 and 12? Every single desktop GPU needs the I/O chip as well, wasting the space of the DDR4, IF, and whatever parts of the GPU bus that chip doesn't need?

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InnerConflict
InnerConflict

genius by what standard? i get they try to get a solid foundation to not lose too much market share and gain some profit but compared to the other giants they are still just david and if you expect them to kill goliath one day, that story was a myth. we expected this 5 years ago and now it´s still only come closer by an inch not a meter. apu design isn´t anything new nor does nvidia not be welcome for SOC development. they did that ages ago, they could reenter the market any day they wanted if they were to loosen their policies with sony and microsoft. cpu wise amd made great success but wait until intel puts pressure on them again and amd has to do another ryzen or athlon or x64. its an interval not a steady line of win. its how competition works and how it always worked from gen to gen. calling this normal strategy which numerous other companies tried and succeeded or failed at, a master plan is just amazingly high praising for something quite average, cutting chips has been done by everyone since day 1. who expects amd to be special with a half decent solution? if intel management rechanges and they go quad2core again, threadripper might get serious danger. it´s just a long waiting game for us customers until a company needs pressure and success to annihilate another companies "masterplan". how often was shintel called masterplanning each generation until the shit after sandy bridge? come on now. you get my view but sure not my recognition.

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Lue
Lue

from the rumors of leaks recently, a 300 USD 8 Core Zen 2 and Navi 12 or 20 is totally possible, so next console gen is probably going to be really good.

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RawLu
RawLu

\m/ AMD \m/

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HB C
HB C

How does Jim not have 1m + subs? His predictions are almost always spot on and his information is the most detailed yet clearly understandable of all tech tubers . We appreciate you Jim. Thanks for all the great vids.

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gamer dude
gamer dude

With amd in consoles, future console ports to PC will be better optimized. Good news for gamers. Good times ahead

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Alex Atkin
Alex Atkin

I love this idea, it would be the ultimate flip on the old complaint that "consoles hold back PC". Who wouldn't want consoles to actually HELP PC? Despite being an Intel/nVidia guy for years now, I'd love to see AMD claw back more market share. As we have already seen Intel/nVidia adding a prime premium recently due to the lack of competition at the high-end. I'm certainly keeping a curious eye on AMD for my next 2-in-1 laptop.

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Carnivore Bear
Carnivore Bear

Adoredtv - wccftech and Forbes just ripped off information disclosed at semiaccurate

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Carnivore Bear
Carnivore Bear

+AdoredTV you misunderstood me but reading my comment I totally see how. I was addressing you by name, then saying how Forbes and wccftech just got their navi for ps5 data from a leaked subscriber only post on semiaccurate. Charlie's got some good moles in the console business, nailed the tegra in the switch before anyone saw it coming. Would have to go back and check who got Rome correct first haha ;)

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

I was the source on most of the Epyc information long before anyone else.

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Bozo Clown
Bozo Clown

AMD got fucked over by Gaayyymers and now gamers get fucked over by Nvidia. Circle of life

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Oh Relentless
Oh Relentless

Absolutely fantastic content, always look forward to your videos. I was wondering why there wasn't much mention of the PS4 Pro in this video though?

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

Didn't want to talk too much abotu all the consoles, in fact I probably overdid it a little with the inclusion of the Xbox One X

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Silverfox
Silverfox

interesting video...I can only pretend to have understood all of it but I feel informed at least. Also: One of AMDs products better be called Zenith. ^^

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Lee Fall
Lee Fall

Hows et gowen ;)

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cskillers1
cskillers1

i watched that fully even when i didn't felt like it, i don't know this video is so catchy

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RyanWake bradtelle
RyanWake bradtelle

I was thinking the same thing except with modularity in mind, say for example Xbox One release an Xbox motherboard with a basic quad-core, and it comes with 4 gigs of soldered Ram. You could buy Xbox brand Ram that has better compatibility but you also could buy a 16gb kit of RGB Ram And it would be recommended that you use a specific line of gpus, and maybe you will even get access to the game a week early, but you can get a 1080ti even if a 580 is recommended to play games in 4k.

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RyanWake bradtelle
RyanWake bradtelle

Maybe the soldered 4 gigs of RAM could be replaced with 32 gigs of octane Ram which is equivalent to 16 gigs but as expensive as 4 gigs of RAM. And maybe you get hundred twenty-eight gigs of octane RAM for the same price as 16 gigs of RAM, which is more than capable of forcing through any optimization differences, and if you're buying 128 gigs or more of RAM then you're likely waiting for a sale saving so much money that a 10% optimization doesn't mean much to you

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RyanWake bradtelle
RyanWake bradtelle

What do you think about a $200 Xbox one two, it would just be capable of playing Xbox One games, it would use a quad core ryzen in optane memory. With like 32 gigs of it, you don't need to worry about optimization because you can just brute force it with a $15 optane chip. And for the GPU I bet the cheapest thing in the 10 series graphics card lineup a stripped-down 1030 is capable of playing everything, but you might want to go with AMD for optimization reasons, I assume a 460 is more than capable. And it could share Ram but I would make it 64 gigs of RAM or to 32 gig optane chips for Speed

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RyanWake bradtelle
RyanWake bradtelle

This would also take the place of the Xbox streaming box if you have enough internet bandwidth, then developers if they want to could optimize their game to run on the next-gen systems to run on the streaming box if they feel like it.

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Byce86
Byce86

Your speculations and conclusions seem sound to me. I only find one thing quite odd. the flexible I/O die. Going down the line of reusing everthing as good as possible, the I/O die would be reused in all SKUs. However, having a DDR4/GDDR6/HBM2 IMC on all Ryzen/ EPYC SKUs seems strange. But having a separate I/O die for all applications is even stranger. There are too many unknowns still. Where is the L3? Is there L4 (which I doubt)? Well, time will tell us, whether you were right ;)

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Lotus cola
Lotus cola

Hindsight is 20/20 however I think the key is not that chiplets are better than monolithic, the key is actually having the guts to do it, implementation, people don't always read statistics and facts the same way, or sometimes companies are too rigid. Like you say if Amd has gone this way, they must've done it without reassurement. The notion of spliting large components into multiple smaller parts is not new at all, miniaturization is at the core of electronics, th japanese led tge way in the 60's, that's what made electronics affordable, yet it is still impressive the brilliance in these new implementations.

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SAVU
SAVU

Excelllent video

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SatyaDG
SatyaDG

Can you make a TL:DR version of this one :)

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Bu Jin
Bu Jin

Wow Jim! Just wow. These master plan videos of yours are master pieces! I don't know if all your speculation will come together or not, but the level of analysis and insight into the problem space is utterly out of this world. You are truly operating in a class of your own!

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Kooditonttu
Kooditonttu

No choice but to sub & like. Brofist to YT for suggesting something actually interesting.

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Pandu Poluan
Pandu Poluan

Nice analysis! And EVERYTHING just totally fall into place together. AMD, the LEGO company of semiconductors 😁 More seriously: It makes more sense doing things in a modular way. Each part can iterate individually, letting Infinity Fabric + IOChiplet be the "glue" that binds everything together. There's one thing we must also consider: Active interposer. It has not yet appeared in early Zen2 processors, because (1) it's still being debugged, and (2) EPYC and Ryzen _probably_ don't really need it. Yet. But the PlayStation? Sony might be looking forward for an "easy" performance upgrade when they released PlayStation 5+... with active interposer! Also, this kind of explains why Zen 3 "might only have incremental performance gains compared to Zen 2" ... Not because the Zen architecture has hit its limits, but because AMD _probably_ wants to push out active interposers. Having Zen 3 not drastically different from Zen 2 definitely will help in debugging the active interposer. Of course, this is all just speculation from me 😎 In any case, wooow!! What a great and fascinating time we're having in the semiconductor industry!!!

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Jouni Osmala
Jouni Osmala

Here's a nice addition to this. Ray tracing scales better than rasterizing with multiple chiplets, and you can actually use compute units for ray tracing without hardware acceleration. So maybe AMD:s high end ray tracing part, is nothing more than putting multiple low end parts to a single package with high enough memory bandwidth to support everything.

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Lorn Roberts
Lorn Roberts

thanks for the excellent video.

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quickApp
quickApp

I'd be more worried by the bandwidth related transfer latency than about the architecture related access latency. The big question is whether IF has enough juice to connect the system to high bandwidth GPU memory without constituting a bottleneck.

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TheOriginalZilla
TheOriginalZilla

Took me a little while to watch all of this. But it was worth it. Please keep up the work Jim.

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Brian Russell
Brian Russell

"100,000 years or so". Love it!

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Dazfx
Dazfx

Amazing vid!

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dbjungle
dbjungle

I hope you're right. This will firmly put AMD in control of their own destiny again.

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Rai Son
Rai Son

4 to 5 years, hmm? So Raja Koduri rejoined AMD on 22nd April 2013. Let's give him 6 to 12 month to settle in. April 2014 + 5 years = April 2019 ... OR, if it is really a huge step up for a sleeping dragon (a little sleeping dragon) waking up and getting it's bearing, it could be 2020. Sounds about right. So Navi is Raja's brain-child (partly, and of many other bright people) or the architecture after. Everything up to that point was already long in the baking and Raja could not influence much rather than just manage. Do you have any insights and background on that Jim? source: http://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/koduri-rejoins-amd-2013apr22

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h08817
h08817

The fucking PC drop test showing the GPU flopping around, shit is NSFMR

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Gen Ohmni
Gen Ohmni

Looks like now could be a good time to think about investing in AMD, if you are into that kind of thing of course.

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alex tell
alex tell

wow just wow this is awsome just subed

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Brim Taika
Brim Taika

Amazing. You held my attention for the length of a TV documentary.

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Kevin Tee
Kevin Tee

Hey, Jim, sorry I've been so out of it I missed one or two videos, and my mind is still having some latency processing all this info. Been busy with last quarter workloads. Anyway, good job as always. The almost hour-long video felt maybe more like a 35-45 minute one. I really hope AMD is playing all their cards right this time around, because I have an odd feeling nVidia will be ready to counter AMD's 7nm mainstream GPUs with their own 7nm at the drop of a hat. I'm pretty sure nVidia still has some stock and lined-up production of Turing cards to go, but I get this feeling they're not too far behind getting 7nm out, using TSMC also after all. You can be sure they were the first ones to see and learn from Intel's blunder of underestimating AMD and Zen and being too sure of themselves. 2019 is looking interesting, can't wait. I sincerely hope the patience and money I saved up in anticipation of 7nm is well worth it. Been putting off my purchase of a new laptop for quitw a few years now.

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renu mihai
renu mihai

great video, i realy hoppe amd will bring an even more agresive competition with new tech

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Maurice H
Maurice H

hey cuntface get to it no one is interested in your backstory

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Kaique Gerais
Kaique Gerais

Why does the 7nm navi wafer cost 9000$ but the 7nm zen2 wafer cost 1200$? Shouldn’t it all just be 1200$ (if not more as worst case). Also current rumors have navi being around 400mm2 range.

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Kaique Gerais
Kaique Gerais

Also Raja Koduri before he left said Navi will have Tensor Cores

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Stranger On The Road
Stranger On The Road

Something is missing, a leak you have spoken about in the past: Near Memory. Keeping the GPU and CPU feed on the PS5 might mean that they would place some memory on the package itself, this memory would act as a cache to the main memory... perhaps as 3.5 level cache..... it might work.

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elysiumcore
elysiumcore

I appreciate the dedication to the madness of details in this video - I am psyched for the PS5 - Go Amd!

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tonkatoytruck
tonkatoytruck

One of the best videos on the topic I have had the privilege to find. Well done.

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Teh509
Teh509

50 minutes? wtf, just had to blow off the wife, we're trying for a baby... well I'm not now, watching you. Also this was pretty obvious, I called it a few years back when Nvidia hinted at then then new gimpworks aka RTX... AMD owns games. Full fucking stop... All the next gen games will be programmed for Navi and next gen consoles... if AMD don't want RT in games? it's upto them not Nvidia, and there is fuck all they can do about it. Ryzen3 and navi is going to destroy laptop/desktop and both next gen consoles... it's going to be fun watching AMD's stock price reaching $100 by a few years. What I find surprising is AMD and nvidia giving up on MGPU. Why?... omitting problems with temporal graphical effects, if AMD's did replace polaris with Navi but implemented a "hardware linked" Mgpu, without the need to crossfire drivers they could introduce 80% scaling with 2x Navi mid range cards and never have to develop a single large high end chip... 2x Navi would smash a 2080ti, both for cost and advantages of manufacturing. YAY MCM GPU's are coming! AMD's strategy here is so long game it's unreal, but by god is it clever... Best wishes AMD, hope you can bring some sanity to the market sooner rather than later.

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Martin Madsen
Martin Madsen

Love the video :) The only thing I struggle with is the huuuuge bold yellow font such as @ 34:55. I usually watch your videos in full-screen mode because you include so many interesting articles that I read in full screen, and initially I watched this video on the TV but I had to turn off the TV and watch it in the regular mini-mode on my desktop PC, because of the yellow and bold fond :(

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manmeet paul
manmeet paul

If playstation at 500 bucks will include VR and 4k 60 fps, I will buy it purely because of the graphics. Too much is sacrificed to reach 144 hz on PC and what not. Console 4k and VR will be enough for me to just go and buy it. Plus, nothing's stopping me to have my custom PC anyways

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Mighty Hadi
Mighty Hadi

For Next gen i will return to consoles, PC today price is a mess and to much problem especially Nvidia price and Ram price. I am miss the old day where it's just simple to play games on consoles without worrying about graphic card benchmark , driver compatibility and etc. I will buy PS5 if it's can play games at 4k 60 frames/second, and let my PC as it is until Nvidia GPU becoming cheaper again.

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Richard Potts
Richard Potts

Very, very good video...the Youtube Algorithm actually giveth today. Have a sub.

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Tres Loco
Tres Loco

AMD is not giving up with GCN, ACE units will still be around, but they are making a major change in Compute Units from SIMD to VLIW. VLIW is more like the floating point vector unit in Zen/Intel without all the pipeline and microcode and prefetch and advanced instruction set and SOC and multiple cache level stuffs.

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iforgotmyusername0
iforgotmyusername0

Navi 10 = a Vega 64 Shrink? http://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-next.c3339

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Alex Mason
Alex Mason

Could you tell me about the the Graphene memory that means they can put processors on it due to it being made at two hundred as opposed to a thousand degrees.

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Tres Loco
Tres Loco

HBM sucks. AMD realy shot themselves in the foot with HBM. Way too much R&D for so little benefit, the latency is too high on HBM, bandwidth gains are mitigated by it. They would have been better off buying rights to PhysX and getting it to run on their APUs, making their APUs kick ass for gaming and stay relevent with a dedicated graphics vs Intel being worthless. Heterogeneous compute is why console exclusive games often are better than PC games when it comes to AI and and so on even with shit CPUs.

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Tres Loco
Tres Loco

I want to know when APUs are going to be used as co-prossors. AMD should write a physics library that is just for high thread count CPUs and APUs, and make it work on Skylake and above. Probably is one for consoles already that is open source.

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GetJesse
GetJesse

Now you know what this means... we need a TWO HOUR video now!

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Astrix au
Astrix au

You make me want to invest in AMD!

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WickedRibbon
WickedRibbon

Killed it again. Great video.

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Gem Bocobo
Gem Bocobo

this level of speculation can almost cross the borderline to valid sleuthing! brilliant job man!

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DannyzPlay
DannyzPlay

A masterpiece of a video Jim. I know you said this is all speculation, but this video has rejuvenated my excitement about AMD's GPU division. Scalability is a great feature to Navi which allows it to be really versatile. And while AMD has tried to use this strategy before, they just weren't able to execute well. For example, Vega is great for the HPC market, but not so hot for high-end gamers. I'm really looking forward to 2019, it's going to be a crazy year.

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

Best year for the PC in a long, long time. ;)

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Cinnabuns2009
Cinnabuns2009

Some superb journalistic detective work there and deductive reasoning. Hats off. Clearly this is the path. What else is the path? Nothing. Moore's law continues with cores and chiplets and all software becomes (finally) multicore aware and efficient in the next few years. Its about time. GG AMD.

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FDMtech
FDMtech

Jim, I was just thinking back about ZEN2 chiplets. The current AM4 motherboards line-up (usually) have video output. Thinking about the PS5 APU design. Do you think the die shrink will also allow the entire Ryzen CPU's but now also with a GPU chiplet. Without giving up on performance or features, like the Ryzen 3 2200G or Ryzen 2400G do. Also, seems like a great way to get rid of partially defective GPU chiplets. And have another performance benefit over Intel CPU's with their iGPU's. Or do you think this will be omitted until AM5 with faster DDR5, or at all.

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

Yep I've been "leaked" information suggesting that could be happening.

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Geers Tyresoil
Geers Tyresoil

I feel like John Locke from "Lost": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB-QOzCBNz4

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Zyphera
Zyphera

Go AMD!

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Yannis Kouretas
Yannis Kouretas

I gotta say it ... this guy is the voice of logic ! Excellent stuff ! Yes , after after viewing the "Next horizon" presentation, I did came to the same conclusion ... The Plan should have been lay out 3-5 years before Zen landed on our desktops ....

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jowarnis
jowarnis

I don't give a shit about these computer chip companies, I come here for that voice of an angel..

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Sid Gl
Sid Gl

Awesome analysis and vision as always

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Antonio Amigo
Antonio Amigo

Why are HMB chips considered too expensive? as far as i know the price of a GPU silicone is like $35 bucks and a gddr is like 5-15 bucks, what's HBM priced at, like 20 bucks? It's not going to cost more than a GPU die, that's for sure. anyhow, today Vega is selling for a good price to the same consumer we are constantly told that HBM is too expensive for. With that say, What gives with the industry complaining about HBM costs.

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irsever
irsever

I lol'd at "Diaper Wafer" - great video

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d00m Slay3r_G1
d00m Slay3r_G1

I think i will buy AMD Radeon again after 2020, till then Nvidia dominate the PC market for gaming. For CPU so far i used only Intel, as a gamer, intel work well to me. The prosumer market i really do not care, that`s AMD, Intel and Nvidia job to care not mine.

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HimouraTheBatosai
HimouraTheBatosai

that was a great watch! thank you again for all the research and putting together in this video

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none of your business
none of your business

it never ceases to amaze me how i think i finally have an understanding on how the computer industry works and then i watch one of your episodes and i realize how little i really know. keep up the good work.

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RedMonkey
RedMonkey

Man what an epic video! If all of this makes it then 4K/60FPS for $500? That's the price it should be but that brings concern that we'll never get that on the PC for that kind of price. Great stuff Jim keep it coming ;)

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yosuhara
yosuhara

*loud applause*

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Cesar Villa
Cesar Villa

Good video.

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yvalson
yvalson

Maybe interesting http://youtu.be/-wy45bQe_XA

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Ano Nymous
Ano Nymous

Very well made analysis!!! I think you are going to be right about using MCM module with CPU chiplets and I/O chip. Most likely next gen consoles will go with GDDR6 memory or possibly in combination with one HBM chip as ultra fast "L4" cache or something like that. Caching and data streaming in consoles is very important and Sony was always trying to have the best/simplest communication channel between CPU/APU and memory. Even previous gen PS3 was originally designed to have just XDR Rambus chips which ran at staggering 3.2Ghz speed same as the Cell chip. That idea of synchronous communication/no bottleneck communication between processing chips and memory will be at the core of the PS5 design. Development of the memory chips and experimenting of the new design has risen since Moore's law slowed down the shrinking of the chips die drastically as we've seen several years before. Designing cost viable memory, which is not slowing down the chips and has almost no latency lag almost like the chip cache is the ultimate goal to have the most efficiently designed out of the box device. The chip itself can only be as fast as the data flowing to it from the memory... and that's twice that important with the consoles.

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DoubleYouPee
DoubleYouPee

Only 9000 per 7nm wafer? Where does the 2x cost from the graph come from compared to 14/16nm then?

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AdoredTV
AdoredTV

It depends on what part of the time line we're at. Right now 7nm is really expensive but it'll drop reasonably quickly while remaining higher than 16nm.

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DarkOkies
DarkOkies

Great video mate very close to what we have been hearing!. This info works with the rumours of AMD's "Voltron builds" known as their market push "AMD EVERYWHERE" working with their partners increase production volume to maximize sales for them as a way to persuade these partners with "AMD versions" of as many parts as they can push: (AMD Versions of - RAM / CPU / GPU / Motherboard / Even M.2)

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Machilus LAB
Machilus LAB

This video blows my mind away, of the view angle of AMD's future, so im very interested in the coming future right now. I subscribed now because of this video, clean way of analysing was way over the top!

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Ивайло Стефанов
Ивайло Стефанов

My GOD, I can't stand listening to this guy. Can I read this somewhere? The accent is KILLING me.

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Pishi A
Pishi A

@AdoredTV I love your videos, but I question WCCF's "source" approximately 32 minutes in the video. For those of us who remember "Kuma" is actually the code name for AMD's Athlon X2 processors based off of the original Phenom (K10) µarch. I doubt that AMD would use this code name this twice.

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GWBanshee
GWBanshee

*'The last - hundredthousand Years, or so'* ~ Jim, 2018

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it's 6884
it's 6884

Oh my god I LOVE your accent.

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FoodieOnTour
FoodieOnTour

Brilliant as always. Thank you for the hard work!

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Lee Yy
Lee Yy

Did you watch the Detective Conan? That's how it feels! When all puzzles and doubts pieced together in an irrefutable logics and with an inevitable outcomes, the moment of revelation is making me goosebumps.

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SuperCapuka
SuperCapuka

4K 60fps it’s basically a RTX 2080ti, that’s kinda sick for $500.

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wolvie45
wolvie45

So that's why my launch PS4 (apu failure) died a week before my msi b350 am4 motherboard died.

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Shad Young
Shad Young

No, today's midrange GPU is not tomorrow's low end GPU. Depending on what you mean by performance, there is a significant difference between what we might call low end, mid range and high end cards, with generational performance gains from each tier never exceeding 25% at the theoretical level (real world performance often reflects lower gains). This has been the case for both ATI/AMD and Nvidia for two decades. It can take upwards of 5 years for a low end card to even begin to approach the performance level of of the earlier midrange tier, and for midrange to approach previous high end levels, with some not even beating the performance of GPUs from a decade ago. So if AMD is indeed producing a midrange GPU with Navi, then it will remain midrange for a very long time, particularly so due to refinement based releases such as were had with the 480/580/590 series of GPUs (which I applaud - it does not make sense to continually redesign core architectures when existing ones can be improved by manufacturing process).

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Scott Stamm
Scott Stamm

AMD recently responded to 'will you be going to Ray Tracing as well?' AMD said 'not until our cheapest GPU offered can do it.' PCIe 4.0 wasn't supposed to happen until AM5 and we're just now hearing about X570 for AM4 with PCIe 4.0. This being said, AMD 'scalability' and early release of PCIe 4.0 (for GPU infinity fabric) with X570 and next gen GPU, we may see something real cool!

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Karsten M.
Karsten M.

Nice video Adored - as always. These chiplet designs will dominate the market. I am curious what intel and nvidia will come up with.

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